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INTERVIEW
The Startup Rebuilding How Pet Insurance Works
Two serial founders are betting pet insurance can be better

Pet insurance has grown into a multi-billion-dollar industry, yet fewer than 5% of U.S. pets are covered. The problem isn't a lack of demand. Pet owners increasingly view their animals as family and are willing to invest in their care. The challenge is that the experience often breaks down when it matters most - at the veterinary clinic, where families are still forced to navigate large bills, reimbursement delays, and uncertainty about what their policy actually covers.

PawPay believes they have the answer. Founded by serial entrepreneurs Dennis Gucker and David Franklin, the company has built a carrier-agnostic platform that combines real-time insurance coverage intelligence with a streamlined payment experience at the point of care. By connecting veterinary clinics, pet owners, and insurance carriers in a way the industry has struggled to do for years, PawPay is aiming to make pet insurance function the way consumers expect it should: simple, transparent, and available when it's needed most.

Dennis Gucker

You and David already built and exited one company together before PawPay. What did that first experience teach you about identifying broken systems, and how did it shape the way you approached the pet insurance space this time around?

The biggest thing Expertise taught us was that the most painful problems in an industry are usually hiding in plain sight, and everyone's just learned to live with them. At Expertise, the "broken system" was that lead generation for small businesses was opaque and misaligned with real business objectives. We shifted to a model that emphasized transparency and alignment with the buyer's goals, and the business grew because of it.

With PawPay, we see a similar opportunity. People are willing to spend on their pets, and insurance is a great financial strategy for reducing the burden, but because the user experience doesn't align with consumer expectations, adoption remains low. We believe that by fixing the experience, aligning the product with the buyer's needs, and bringing transparency, we can make pet insurance work the way it was always supposed to.

You left a stable role at Forbes to jump back into startup life. What was going through your head when you realized this problem was big enough to walk away and build again?

Honestly, stability was part of the problem. I'd spent two years at Forbes helping integrate Expertise's operations into a much larger machine, and while it was valuable work, I kept finding myself drawn to the problems that were unsolved rather than the ones already in motion. There was also an element of serendipity. Around the same time David walked me through what he was seeing in the pet insurance space, I was also in conversations with a friend who was dealing with his pet’s insurance claim; it was a shockingly poor experience. It all came together at that moment.

As I started pulling on the thread, everywhere I looked I saw an opportunity that was too exciting to ignore. At some point you have to be honest with yourself about where your energy actually is. Mine was clearly with PawPay.

One of the more interesting parts of PawPay’s origin story is that the “aha moment” came directly from conversations with insurance carriers themselves. What were they telling you that made you realize this wasn’t just a payment issue, but a structural flaw in the industry?

That was the real turning point. We expected to hear frustration from pet owners or vets, but when the carriers themselves are telling us the current system isn't working, that's a different signal. They were describing a world where they had solid products that people genuinely needed, but the point of sale was completely disconnected from the point of care. A pet owner would come home after a $4,000 vet visit and then try to figure out if their insurance covered anything. That's not a payment problem; that's a structural misalignment.

When you can’t tell at the register what your insurance actually covers, the policy might as well not exist at that moment. The clinic visit is the moment that matters, and the industry, for various reasons, was unable to tackle this issue individually. 

For readers hearing about PawPay for the first time, what exactly does the company do?

PawPay sits at the intersection of the veterinary clinic, the pet owner, and the insurance carrier; right at the moment of care. We've built an AI-powered coverage scoring engine that can tell a pet owner, in real time at the front desk, what their policy will likely cover for a given procedure, across any carrier. And we pair that with a payment platform that eliminates the cash-flow friction that causes people to delay or decline care. Basically, we enable pet parents to only have to pay their coinsurance and deductible at the clinic versus having to pay the full bill and then figuring out reimbursement later. The short version: we make it so that having pet insurance actually works the way people think it does when they sign up for it.

David Franklin

Pet insurance has grown into a multi-billion-dollar category, yet penetration in the U.S. still remains surprisingly low. Why do you think adoption has lagged despite how emotionally attached people are to their pets?

There is definitely an education component; many pet owners aren't even aware of pet insurance, and because it operates differently, they don't recognize it. A large component, however, is that the experience leaves a lot to be desired. You pay monthly, something happens, you pay the vet out of pocket, you submit a claim, you wait, you get a reimbursement that may arrive weeks later.

That's not insurance in any meaningful sense; you still experience the full financial shock of the event, and if your claim gets declined, you're objectively worse off. People try it, have a bad experience or hear a bad story, and disengage. The product-market fit exists at the emotional level; the breakdown is entirely operational.

You’ve repeatedly emphasized being “carrier-agnostic,” even though it was clearly the harder and slower build. Why was neutrality across carriers so important to the long-term vision of the company?

Because the moment you favor one carrier, you've become a distribution channel, not an infrastructure layer. We want to be the rails that the whole industry runs on, not a competitor with one carrier's logo on our product. That trust from every carrier, every clinic, and every pet owner only works if they all know we're not putting a thumb on the scale. It was absolutely the slower and harder path. It would've been much easier to sign an exclusive deal early on and call it a win. But that would've capped what PawPay can become. We're building for the long game.

One stat that stood out was insured pet owners spending significantly more per visit than uninsured owners. From your perspective, how much of veterinary medicine today is constrained not by willingness to pursue care, but by cash-flow friction at the front desk?

The data on this is pretty striking. AAHA did a study that showed insured pets generate up to 92% more revenue for a clinic than an uninsured pet. And when you dig into that number, it's not because insured pet owners love their pets more. It's because they can say yes to treatment.

The scenario plays out thousands of times a day at vet clinics across the country: a vet recommends a treatment, the pet owner wants to do it, and then there's this awful pause while someone does mental math about whether they can cover it today. That pause is where care gets compromised. People decline procedures, delay diagnostics, or choose a less aggressive treatment plan, not because they don't want the best for their animal, but because the cash-flow reality at that specific moment doesn't support it. And sometimes they are forced to take out high-interest loans, if they are lucky enough to qualify.  

Under the hood, PawPay is really two products working together: an AI-powered coverage recommendation engine and a carrier-agnostic payment platform. Why did you decide to build both pieces internally instead of licensing one side of the stack?

Just to clarify a bit, we are not a coverage recommendation engine; our AI is scoring the likelihood that a line item on your invoice will be reimbursed by your specific insurance plan.  Building both is critical because they only work if they work together. A great scoring engine that tells you what's covered doesn't solve anything if the payment experience is still broken. And a smooth payment platform without coverage transparency just makes it easier to pay out of pocket; it doesn't change the underlying dynamic.

The magic is in the handoff between the two: knowing what's covered, in real time, and then making the financial transaction seamless based on that information. You can't license your way to that. It has to be one coherent system.

You’ve said trust compounds slowly in veterinary medicine. As an early-stage company operating between clinics, insurers, and emotional pet owners, how do you think about building trust across all sides of the ecosystem simultaneously?

By being genuinely useful to each of them on their own terms, not just as a means to an end. For clinics, that means reducing administrative burden and awkward financial conversations at the front desk. For carriers, it means expanding policy utilization and reducing the gap between enrollment and actual engagement.

For pet owners, it means an experience that finally matches the promise of what they signed up for. When each party sees that PawPay is making their specific situation better, and not just extracting value from the relationship, trust starts to build. You can't shortcut it, but you can be consistent about it.

I think that trust also builds as people continue to see us at industry events. In fact, David, our CEO, just moderated a panel at the North American Pet Health Association in South Carolina last week, and we will be at the California VMA event, PacVet in June and AVMA in Anaheim in July.

I also think building the right advisory board helps, and we are lucky to be joined so far by Dr. Peter Bowie, the president of California VMA, and Dr. Nicole Leibman, the cancer center director of the Animal Medical Center (AMC) in New York, the largest veterinary teaching hospital in the country. We are also in conversations with several others we hope to bring on board.

Coverage recommendations in veterinary insurance can get incredibly nuanced across carriers, breeds, timelines, and procedures. What were some of the biggest technical challenges in building a system that could make reliable real-time recommendations across such fragmented policy structures?

Pet insurance policies are not standardized. You've got different carriers with different definitions of the same procedure, different waiting periods, different breed exclusions, different interpretations of "pre-existing condition." Building a system that can ingest that fragmentation, normalize it, and surface a reliable recommendation in real time, without introducing errors that could cost someone thousands of dollars, is genuinely hard. The stakes are high and the margin for error is low.

A lot of the early work was less about AI and more about data architecture: getting the underlying policy data clean and structured enough that the intelligence layer could actually do its job.

What’s the hardest part of building PawPay right now, and what does the next 12 months look like for the company?

The hardest part is pace. There's no shortage of demand; clinics want this, carriers want this, pet owners need this. The challenge is building the operational foundation fast enough to meet that demand without sacrificing the quality and trust that the whole thing depends on. The next 12 months are about depth before breadth: making sure our clinic partners have an exceptional experience, tightening the recommendation engine across a wider set of carriers, and proving out the model in a way that makes the broader expansion obvious. We're not trying to be everywhere at once. We're trying to make sure that where we are, it works.

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